You have never heard of the Ruwaard van Putten Hospital located in Spijkenisse. Neither had I, till I looked at an article in the Algemeen Dagblad (my favourite reprehensible yellow-journalism Dutch language internet news-rag).
[This article: http://www.ad.nl/diagnose/stoppenmetroken/2428385/Met_dood_bedreigd_om_rookverbod.html ]
As of July 1st, 2008, it is forbidden to smoke anywhere in the Ruwaard van Putten Hospital.
Not an issue.
One cannot smoke anywhere in the parking lot of the Ruwaard van Putten Hospital either.
Hmmm?
Or in one's own vehicle if on the hospital grounds.
Hmmm!!!
Or while wearing hospital clothing.
If you are a nurse at the Ruwaard van Putten Hospital, you are only allowed to smoke during your break, off the hospital grounds entirely, and not while wearing your nurse's uniform, per the mandate of Ruwaard van Putten Hospital director Ms. Letti van Atteveld. Who has a reputation among the staff of being an all-round xxxxxxx person.
Now, I can understand rules against public drunkenness or blatant drug use while wearing the nurses' uniform - despite a long culturally supported history of inappropriate behaviour in public, even in the Netherlands such things might cause a raised eyebrow. And it would be unseemly for an identifiable hospital staff-member to be seen disporting herself with sailors while under the influence. By any standard, it is a reasonable request that she take off her garments when zotsed.
But a hurried cigarette is by no means comparable to an orgy. And I resent the equivalency which is implied by Ruwaard van Putten Hospital director Ms. Letti van Atteveld's despotic dictat. The dear lady needs to chill out, get a life, find a lover, or take a pill. Anything to get her busy nose out of the lives of the poor long-suffering nurses who work at the Ruwaard van Putten Hospital. Certainly, if they are anywhere within ten miles (sixteen kilometers) of Ms. Letti van Atteveld (or the Ruwaard van Putten Hospital), and her rigidly constipated attitude, they will need a smoke. It is far better for them to have a cigarette now and then than to develop ulcers and a medication problem. As Ms. Letti van Atteveld would surely understand, if the inserted broomstick did not interfere with her cognitive processes.
We pray for her recovery from the broomstick, and the nurses relief from her.
Oh, as a minor matter, Ms. Letti van Atteveld (director of the Ruwaard van Putten Hospital) has allegedly received a death threat, allegedly because of the rules against smoking anywhere in the hospital grounds or in hospital clothing. Allegedly. It is not known if it was a nurse who made the alleged threat, or a patient. Or even someone from her past. As she has not involved the police, and merely alleges this on her own blog, it cannot be determined how much of this allegation is factual, and how much merely a Jesus complex.
It is quite possible that the inserted broomstick is interfering with more than cognitive processes. It is probably exerting pressure on the cerebral cortex, and angrifying the emotional centres besides. Bluntly put, she's full of it.
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Note: I have no idea who Ruwaard van Putten is (or was). His name sounds impressive - deftig and statig even. Enough so that in addition to naming a hospital after him, they named several other things in his honour in the town of Spijkenisse.
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But on the other hand, it is (or: it may be argued that it is) possul to smoke.
See this:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215330889024&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Lev
I am not mekabel that rov's point of view.
I realize that it is in accord with the opinion of the Tzitz Eliezer, but again, for what are obviously extremely subjective reasons, I will disagree.
I firmly believe that halachically the permissability of smoking is an ibaya de lo-ifshetto.
But avade it is right that smoking be restricted as far as place is concerned - chamira sakanta m'issura (a possible threat to health requires greater stringency). And in the case of those not of legal smoking age, I would assume a degree of ignorance about the ill-effects unless proven otherwise. Which makes smoking in the presence of others possibly lifnei iver, at the very least.
I admit that there are valid questions about the habit.
And further, I note that there is an excellent discussion of smoking here:
http://kaspit.typepad.com/weblog/2005/08/criticisms_of_r.html
It mentions in particular Rav Moshe Feinstein's ambivalence, and that he did not expressly forbid the habit.
In Teshuves Igres Moshe - Choshen Mishpat, he discusses both pro and con. By and large he permits it, as long as it is not an imposition on others, nor done in inappropriate places (common enclosed areas, study halls, etcetera). But he also opined that causing harm to others by smoking qualifies as assault, and he codicilizes that beginning the habit is issur.
Rav Feinstein, it will be recalled, is the father-in-law of rav Moshe Tendler of Monsey and RIETS, who strongly opposes smoking, and poskened against it.
The issue revolves around 'shomer pesaim Hashem' - Hashem protects the simple. Which is why dangerous behaviours do not necessarily have unfortunate consequences. In the case of smoking, besides, the ill-effects are by no means certain. Merely a percentage.
Surely there exists a tradition of erotic fetishism involving comely wenches in nurse's outfits...
Spiros, perhaps the BotH will delve into nurse perversions at a later date. He seems to be much obsessed with panties and schoolgirls. Nurses are a different branch of naughty. Pray for his obession.
Lev
Lev-
To date it would appear that BOTH disapproves of hanky-panky involving nurse's outfits, although it remains unclear whether this disapproval extends to nurses engaging in actions of dubious morality while in mufti, so to speak. As a practicing atheist, I believe certain things are beyond the power of prayer (well, actually, everything), so I fear BOTH will remain rigid on this issue.
Well then, after seeing his latest, I do not think that BOTH disapproves of H.P. with nurses in uniform.
Either that, or prayer works.
Or both.
Lev
Strange. No comments from nurses. They're too busy coughing?
---Grant Patel
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