tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post4101202676976561088..comments2024-03-28T08:29:49.154-07:00Comments on At the back of the hill: PRO-PALESTINIAN ACTIVISTS ATTACK JEWS ON CAMPUSThe back of the hillhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05564245223453467132noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-43584552187233943552009-02-19T10:27:00.000-08:002009-02-19T10:27:00.000-08:00Also, many Jews are anti-Zionist That also may be ...<B>Also, many Jews are anti-Zionist </B><BR/>That also may be due to ignorance. Provided we give them the benefit of doubt.<BR/><BR/>But more because they desperately wish to be good Jews, like the good Germans. Blending in is a powerful motivator for Uncle-Tomism. As is profound self-hatred.<BR/>By the same token, very few non-Jews seek out Jews, unless to prove that they are not anti-Semites because their 'best friends' are Jewish. Not wishing to be associated with a taboo minority is also a powerful motivator. As is profound subconscious hatred.The back of the hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564245223453467132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-20285882820465032942009-02-19T10:26:00.001-08:002009-02-19T10:26:00.001-08:00I really don't understand the Zionist mentalityTha...<B>I really don't understand the Zionist mentality</B><BR/>That may be due to ignorance.The back of the hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564245223453467132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-11729279313184369272009-02-19T10:26:00.000-08:002009-02-19T10:26:00.000-08:00While the Holocaust is a horrendous legacy, how do...<B>While the Holocaust is a horrendous legacy, how does the Jewish state honor the memory of those who were killed by Nazi Germany by perpetrating similar acts of exclusion and oppression?</B><BR/>The comparison is obscene. After 1967, the population in the territories more than tripled. Even in Gaza since the intifada, there has been a forty percent increase in the population, as per a news item on the BBC website which quotes UN figures. There are no death camps. There are no gas chambers. There are no torture rooms. The Arabs in the West Bank largely have their own officials to blame for the mess their in (corruption nurtured and encouraged by the UN), and the Arabs in Gaza can thank Hamas (whose snarky nickname, by the way, is SHIA - in acknowledgement of the Iranian contribution) for their situation.The back of the hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564245223453467132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-63643060080727583992009-02-19T10:25:00.000-08:002009-02-19T10:25:00.000-08:00to the exclusion of the residents who were living ...<B>to the exclusion of the residents who were living there throughout the 19th and 20th centuries </B><BR/>The return to the land was already happening in small measure before Zionism - Jews returned to Jerusalem, Hebron, Tzfat, and Gaza throughout Ottoman times, and there were Jews who already lived there.<BR/>For eight decades till 1948, Jewish population there increased.<BR/>Since independence, it has been a Jewish state - all in all, Jews have been a majority in their land now for several generations. Many were born there, their parents were born there. And many even have grandparents, great grandparents, and even further kin who were born there. They live there now, and most have not lived anywhere else. <BR/>If being born in the US makes you an American, or a citizen of many other countries, then by that same reason the Jews in Israel are validly of Israel, and the "Palestinians" born in NahrElBard or Jordan are Lebanese and Jordanian.<BR/><BR/>Oh wait, Arabs practice an exclusionism even more bitter than Europeans and Malays. They discriminate against their own kin.The back of the hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564245223453467132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-33539292605495471172009-02-19T10:18:00.000-08:002009-02-19T10:18:00.000-08:00because it believes that religious texts have 'gra...<B>because it believes that religious texts have 'granted' a single people the right to establish a racially defined state to the exclusion of the residents who were living there throughout the 19th and 20th centuries when Jewish immigrants were being imported from Europe. </B><BR/>Zionism is not based on the Bible but on that land being the historic homeland of the Jewish people - even the Romans admitted precisely that. As did the Arabs - in the Quaran, during the various Caliphates, under the Ottomans, and even in the 1920s when the Arabs were becoming nations. Kings Abdullah (assassinated by a Palestinian in Jerusalem) and Hussein (of blessed memory) also granted the Jewish right to the land.<BR/>Nor is the state racially defined (and 'race' in any case is no longer used as a defining term by most anthropologists). There are Jews of every "racial" stripe known to man. In what way is a glow-in-the-dark Hassid from Lithuania the same race as a Persian Jew, an Egyptian Jew, a Baghdadi, a Jew from Samarkand or Bokhara, or a Sfard from Morocco?<BR/>And exclusion? Did I already mention that those who stayed, contrary to the commands of the invading Arab armies and at the express request of Jewish leaders in 1948, were automatically granted citizenship? If I didn't mention it, I apologize - I should have. <BR/>And speaking of 'exclusion', I should also mention the Jews excluded in very large numbers from Islamic countries - were they had lived since before Islam, in many cases, and in some cases before the current population settled there (that being most notably ALL the lands inhabited today by Turkic majorities, all of which were conquered by invaders from the steppes between ten and four centuries ago - Istanbul used to be Constantinople, and the Greeks still want it back).<BR/>Jewish immigrants imported from Europe? Indeed, many of the citizens of Israel have ancestors who came from there. Over half the Jewish population however came from Arab and Muslim lands that they were kicked out of since 1948. And do not forget, there were already Jews there when they returned to Israel. Many of whom had never been elsewhere - the territory assigned to them by the United Nations was the area of Jewish majority, not the total area where there were Jews. Those who were thrown out of the Arab countries were robbed by the Arabs before they left, and arrived with nothing. As the US Congress in fact recognizes. Note that these exiles were absorbed by their kin - precisely as the Arabs have refused to absorb their kin.The back of the hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564245223453467132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-9791224381234059942009-02-19T10:17:00.000-08:002009-02-19T10:17:00.000-08:00Apartheid state .... Like Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, ...<B>Apartheid state .... </B><BR/><BR/>Like Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Japan, Germany, and several others which have nationality laws based on racial and religious exclusionism, coupled with a large number of 'guest-workers' who are treated worse than animals?<BR/><BR/>Do you want to talk about Mexican dishwashers and lettuce pickers? How about Turks who have been three generations in Northern Europe, and are still "foreigners"?<BR/>Chinese and Indians in Malaysia who have been there for centuries and are discriminated against?<BR/>Koreans in Japan?<BR/>Indians and Pakistanis in the Gulf?The back of the hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564245223453467132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-11271834623455257092009-02-19T10:14:00.000-08:002009-02-19T10:14:00.000-08:00Why should Americans support an apartheid state A...<B>Why should Americans support an apartheid state </B> <BR/>America does not support an Apartheid state - Israeli Arabs have the right to vote, to own property, and to participate at all levels in Israeli society. And there are Arabs in the ranks of most political parties and all ministries. There are also Arab parties in the Knesset. There are jobs and stations where having served in the IDF give you a much greater entry - Arabs are free to join the IDF. Druze Arabs and many Bedouin do serve in the military (and note that there are Knesset speakers, ministers, officers, and department heads from the Arab Israeli side). All who stayed in 1948 became citizens.<BR/>The distinction is with the population in the territories - who are not citizens, and do not wish to be citizens, of a praedominantly Jewish state. They have their own institutions, which are overwhelmingly Judenrein - this despite there having been Jewish populations in both the West Bank and Gaza (that latter population ethnically cleansed several times, the last time during the British period) which date back to the pre-Roman period. Obviously, a population which will not become citizens, and is not even desirous of that - which in fact is acknowledged by all sides as heading towards eventual statehood of its own - cannot be administered in the same way as citizens. They are administered under British Mandate codes and Ottoman law. As they were when the Jordanians ruled over them, and as they were after Egypt had seized Gaza. The laws in those areas are a confusing and oppressive welter, due to it being illegal to change them until locally valid representative bodies do so.The back of the hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564245223453467132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-51292846225367545442009-02-19T10:13:00.000-08:002009-02-19T10:13:00.000-08:00I don't understand Zionists' claim to a land that ...<B>I don't understand Zionists' claim to a land that was already inhabited by other people. </B><BR/>There were Jews living there among the other people. The other people came in with conquerors over the centuries. Jews, however, have always lived there. Furthermore, the Zionist purchased land - and developed the barren areas which they bought. It was the economic development of those lands that drew in even more people.<BR/>Also, the Jewish quarters of Jerusalem and Hebron, as well as other places inside the land, were ethnically cleansed by Arab mobs in the twenties and thirties - how do you justify Arabs even daring to claim those areas?The back of the hillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05564245223453467132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-35691012746802276892009-02-18T22:51:00.000-08:002009-02-18T22:51:00.000-08:00I don't understand Zionists' claim to a land that ...I don't understand Zionists' claim to a land that was already inhabited by other people. We live in a modern era. Why should Americans support an apartheid state because it believes that religious texts have 'granted' a single people the right to establish a racially defined state to the exclusion of the residents who were living there throughout the 19th and 20th centuries when Jesiwh immigrants were being imported from Europe. While the Holocaust is a horrendous legacy, how does the Jewish state honor the memory of those who were killed by Nazi Germany by perpetrating similar acts of exclusion and oppression? I really don't understand the Zionist mentality...Also, many Jews are anti-ZionistAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-13998518066663629662008-11-25T16:41:00.000-08:002008-11-25T16:41:00.000-08:00I'd like to add that it is much more supportable b...I'd like to add that it is much more supportable by historical record that in the last 60 years the Jews who have lived in Damascus, Bagdad, Iran, Cairo, Algeria, etc. have been kicked out and killed by Arabs and other Moslems, than it is supportable that the Jews have done anything like that Moslem or Arab peoples. In fact, the Arabs who chose to stay in Israel have been able to live in peace. This is not to say that Israel or Israelis have been perfect, but on a scale between them and Moslem countries, or between them and nearly every other country, they have striven to act humanely and lawfully, given the situation. The situation is admittedly tragic, and it is too bad that the world generally is suffering from overpopulation and competing claims to the same land and resources. I only hope that Arabs with goodwill and Jews with goodwill can meet on a plain of peace and harmony someday, knowing that what they share (general discrimination by the rest of the world) is more important than what divides them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-4594086276514792872008-11-22T12:29:00.000-08:002008-11-22T12:29:00.000-08:00One billion Chinese can't all be Wong.One billion Chinese can't all be Wong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-30206795320904168492008-11-21T15:36:00.000-08:002008-11-21T15:36:00.000-08:00Phibious, Seven million Israelis can't be wrong.Phibious, <BR/>Seven million Israelis can't be wrong.Suzycathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10792867657253315501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-18450017068025549482008-11-20T10:42:00.000-08:002008-11-20T10:42:00.000-08:00You'll need an awfully big posse to perpetrate gen...You'll need an awfully big posse to perpetrate genocide on those terms.<BR/>Awfully big posse X $9.95 = a lot of dough (although why pay retail).<BR/>Maybe genocide, like yachting or polo, is too expensive a hobby, and should be left to the wealthier segments of society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-65894687658071360922008-11-20T09:53:00.000-08:002008-11-20T09:53:00.000-08:00"Haven't tried genocide though. The equipment is t..."Haven't tried genocide though. The equipment is too expensive!"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Well, Suzy dearest. Try the Rwanda solution. Genocide by machete. $9.95 at your local garden supply shop<BR/><BR/>Randy SteelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-15865402718756270512008-11-19T15:31:00.000-08:002008-11-19T15:31:00.000-08:00Surely, Deluded Leftist, that should read "blaming...Surely, Deluded Leftist, that should read "blaming The Jew", thereby indicating the monolithic nature of Zionist Oppression.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-88884850868485549732008-11-19T14:17:00.000-08:002008-11-19T14:17:00.000-08:00It was a Palestinian Cultural celebration. Everyo...It was a Palestinian Cultural celebration. Everyone knows that attacking Jews, then making up tall tales about it, and finally, blamig the Jews are all integral aspects of Palestinian culture!<BR/><BR/>Deluded LeftistAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-35113812461284907242008-11-19T13:11:00.001-08:002008-11-19T13:11:00.001-08:00...and that, my Liege, is how we know the Earth to......and that, my Liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-34551836017051917362008-11-19T13:11:00.000-08:002008-11-19T13:11:00.000-08:00...and that, my Liege, is how we know the Earth to......and that, my Liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-18599168838762503902008-11-19T12:08:00.000-08:002008-11-19T12:08:00.000-08:00How do you come to know so much about witches, sir...How do you come to know so much about witches, sire?<BR/><BR/>Are you expected to know such matters as king?<BR/><BR/><BR/>---Grant PatelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-21434268210594957792008-11-19T10:55:00.000-08:002008-11-19T10:55:00.000-08:00Oh, and in answer to Suzycat's question: I usually...Oh, and in answer to Suzycat's question: I usually practice my syllogisms in bars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-48181805756755853372008-11-19T10:53:00.000-08:002008-11-19T10:53:00.000-08:00If she weighs...the same...as a duck...she's made ...If she weighs...the same...as a duck...she's made of wood. And therefor...a witch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-75020766618092499902008-11-18T19:47:00.000-08:002008-11-18T19:47:00.000-08:00Hey mister Amphibian, I excell at sports! Haven't...Hey mister Amphibian, I excell at sports! <BR/><BR/>Haven't tried genocide though. The equipment is too expensive! Plus there aren't any good clubs in SF.<BR/><BR/>Where do YOU go for practice?Suzycathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10792867657253315501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-79406566984881722212008-11-18T12:29:00.001-08:002008-11-18T12:29:00.001-08:00Genocide is a Sport, Jews do not excel at Sports, ...Genocide is a Sport, Jews do not excel at Sports, ergo Jews Genocide poorly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-74539941169080685342008-11-18T12:29:00.000-08:002008-11-18T12:29:00.000-08:00Oh, and bear in mind that more Arabs were killed b...Oh, and bear in mind that more Arabs were killed by Hafez Assad than by the Israelis in the netire history of Zionism.<BR/><BR/>Think of the city of Hama.<BR/><BR/>Saddam Hussein was no slouch either, and it would be instructive to look at Egyptian involvement in Yemen during the sixties.<BR/><BR/>Not to mention what Hussein of Jordan did during 'black September'.<BR/><BR/>Yes, truly, it is better for Arabs to live under the heel of their own people. It diminishes their number far fester than any other rule.<BR/><BR/>I, for one, cheer on intra-Arab strife. They are so good at it, and it is so exciting to watch. And unlike the Pakistanis they aren't quite such miserable cowards - they ENJOY strife and bloodshed, in addition to having a very Islamic talent for it.<BR/><BR/>Go team go! G'wan, kill each other. In your ownj lands. And in Gaza and Lebanon, too.<BR/><BR/><BR/>---Grant PatelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17704096.post-13561801655940094782008-11-18T12:24:00.000-08:002008-11-18T12:24:00.000-08:00Darn it, those Jooz jes' aren't very successful at...Darn it, those Jooz jes' aren't very successful at genocide! Rank amateurs!<BR/><BR/><BR/>They should take a page from the Germans. Or the English. Or, better yet, from the Arabs.<BR/><BR/>Darfur much, James?<BR/><BR/><BR/>---Grant PatelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com